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On last month's Fix;
the answer to last month's Fix,
"a. Is the person (people?) who exposed CIA agent Valerie Plame guilty
of treason? If so, should the traitor(s) be executed?"
Can be generalized to
b. Should a US soldier recently returned from war be arrested for
treason if, while still in uniform, he appears on TV and declares all
of his comrades performed torture
contrary to the rules of war?"
Not all of you may know who Valerie Plame is so some background. Her
husband, Joe Wilson, was a US Ambassador to some Arab country. He
irritated a Bushie with a story to US News about how the intel for
going to war in Iraq was cooked, so the
story goes a Bush staffer leaked to reporter Bob Novak that
PLame was a CIA agent in WMDs as a retaliation (putting
her life at risk you see). Now the FBI is grilling Novak and other
reporters who the leaker was. Those reporters are at risk of going to
jail - supposedly Tim Russert has already struck a deal. People want
the Bushie's head. When Jeff suggested part A of the question last
month, I think his unspoken agenda is, kill Bushies.
Now, to another piece of history, should traitors be executed? Under
the Intelligence Protection Act of 1982, it is a crime for anyone with
classified access to reveal the name of covert agents. You
may recall the names of ALdridge Ames and John Walker. Both of them
were working on top secret Navy stuff and sold it to the
Russkies, in the past 5-10 years. Both of them are in jail on treason
charges and have not
been killed, so I think the fashion is against killing traitors these
Now, what constitutes being a traitor? The US Constitution
defines it as taking up arms against the US or giving aid and comfort
to the US's enemies.
Flashback to the 1960's. Hanoi Jane Fonda goes to N Vietnam to show
her contempt for US Policy. She is led by a N Vietnamese General to a
line-up of US POWs, ostensibly so she can see that they are being
treated well. One of the POWS slips a paper note to Jane, which she
then shows to her N Vietnamese host. We may never know what that note
said, but Jane's narcing on the POWs cost them their lives - they never
Continuing late 60's and early 70's. JF Kerry returns from Nam. He
goes on TV (the Dick Cavet show and in front of Congress) to say that
US troop morale is in the tank, that GIs are about ready to desert, and
that GIs are comitting war atrocities. We know this resulted in POWs
being more severely beaten in order to extract similar confessions -
and not just form the 21 Congressional Medal of Honor winners that are
part of the Swift Boat Vets group. Some of Ho Chi Min's aides have said
that the Viet Cong were near capitulation, but the images from US TV
allowed the VC commanders to rally their troops for another year,
extending and ultimately winning the war. Some of this is
conjecture, but one
thing is certain. In Hanoi's museum of the Vietnam war, there is
a section of War Heroes for the Motherland. There are two US people
listed on that wall: Jane Fonda and JF Kerry.
So Question B - is behavior that leads to the death of your
countrymen treason? What should be done with those who performed it?
On CLinton's Coronary;
I have a theory. Bill and Hill have been and continue to be
(along with their pet Terry McCoulough) the controlling force in the
Dem Natl Comm. JF Kerry was relying on their help to win the election.
And now Bill, former Pres. and access to the best healthcare in the
world, discovers that he has a bad ticker not one week earlier when it
could have sucked the Oxygen from the Rep Convention, but now in the
final 60 days before the Presidential Election. Oh, and he will be in
recovery and so unable to help JFK. This cannot be an accident. Hill
and Bill are handing the election to Bush. Where is Fahrenheight 911's
On the Sun Setting of the Brady
We may agree or disagree about the need for a given
law, but there is a way to never have to argue about a law's
effectiveness again - outcomes based
legislation. The termination of the Brady Bill got me thinking
about a moderate
proposal. In addition to saying what a new law will do operationally,
the methods of enforcement, all new laws shall
1. State in the bill's preamble precisely and succintly what the
purpose of the law is
2. define metrics that shall measure if the purpose is being met
3. methods shall be defined to measure those metrics
4. after a trial period, the law's effectiveness shall be reviewed and
if found deficient, it is expired
Example Bill HR 1412:
Purpose: Raise the salmon populations in the Pacific NW
Metrics: Salmon counts in the upper Columbia
Method: shock pole counts in the Columbia between Vancouver and Elwa WA
Outcome Measure: The law shall be judged effective if the count
increases by 50% in 5 years, otherwise it shall be revoked
A Rebuttal to ...
IT'S HARD TO BE A REPUBLICAN IN 2004.
author: unknown, but likely Micheal
Moore or a NY Times columnist
submitted by: J Thorne
Somehow, you have to believe that:
1. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred
of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.
Re: I can only guess that the author
equates a protection of marriage stance as equal to hatred of gays.
Where is a direct quote?
2. The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our
highest national priority is enforcing UN resolutions against Iraq.
Re: The UN had over 2 dozen
resolutions about the failure of Iraq, during and after the
CLinton admin, to permit free access of WMD inspectors. Bush tried to
get inspectors into Iraq for an additional few months. In the end, in
addition to the other reasons, Bush argued that if the UN isn't going
to back up its resolutions with action - what good is it?
3. "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers and moving
their jobs to India.
Re: First things first. NAFTA was
signed by CLinton. The charge today is that Bush is giving tax breaks
to companies to go overseas. Proof?
4. A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body,
multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind
Re: Specifics? Here is one. Bush has
been blamed for not reducing arsenic levels in corporate user's waste
water, when all he did
was extend the law with the same limits that Clinton approved. This
is called a "cave" to the multi-nationals when Bush does it, and
enlightend leadership under CLinton.
5. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a
conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our
prayers for your recovery.
Re: Since GW himself was once an
alcoholic, he has been more open to treatment options. This is not a
6. The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in
speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.
Re: Who approves budgets again? Oh,
that would be Congress.
7. Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run
for governor of California as a Republican.
Re: There is some truth in this one.
I'm not sure what's worse, that the GOP is tolerating this for
Arnold, or that for Dems this behavior is actually required to build
8. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have
Re: Condoms in school are one thing,
is it the taxpayers responsibility to buy them? Why not Gameboys for
9. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time
then demand their cooperation and money.
Re: This could have been better
handled, but then again, France and Germany had this great Oil for
Money deal going in Iraq, so they were against releasing UN sanctions
on Iraq even _after_ Sadaam was topppled.
10. HMOs and insurance companies have the interest of the public
Re: True, no question socialized
health care has been a boon to Canada and Britain. Can't have any free
markets - bad bad.
11. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy.
health care to all Americans is socialism.
Re: Funny, Vince Ruben (Secy Treas
under CLinton) said the same thing about tax breaks in poor
countries (Somalia and Russia). So why are tax breaks in the US always
wrong to a Dem
(unless of course they are to the working poor, who are tax exempt
12. Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but
creationism should be taught in schools.
Re: This is confusing so many issues,
it would take pages to refute. But then this is the James Carville
approach, throw bombs so fast the other side cannot respond. The earth
is warming, the ties to human causation are laughable. The links of
cancer to second hand smoke are weak. And what Bush said is that
religios teachings should not be banned from schools.
13. It is okay that the Bush family has done $millions of business with
the Bin Laden family.
Re: Hmm, I guess the entire family
shold be imprisoned for the sins of one son. Interesting view from
freedom loving liberals.
14. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's
daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and
a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.
Re: Perhaps the concept, "The enemy of
my enemy is my friend" is lost on liberals. Reagen backed Sadaam when
he was warring with Iran, because you may recall the Ayatollah had just
held 52 American hostages for about 2 years. Some of you may also know
that for the past 8 years, America has been funding oil to North Korea.
Why? Becuase Clinton thought if he was nice and gave oil to Kim Il
Sung, he would not build nukes.
Guess what? They were both wrong. The US should consistenly reward
nations that strive for open govt and markets, rather then make short
term marriages of convenience.
15. A president lying about an extramarital affair is an
offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which
thousands die is solid defense policy.
Re: Lying about what? WMDs have been
found (Sarin gas filled artillery - NPR, germ-warfare trucks - ABC
news). The insurgents in Iraq are holding French hostages now to make
France leave Afghanstian and stop hunting for bin Laden - hardly the
move of groups that are not allied.
The left and their willing pals in the Media are trying that age old
trick - tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.
16. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the
Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the
Re: The Constition does not ban gay
marriage - that is why Bush wants a Ammendment to do so. How is using
the constitutional process to add a law unConstitutional? It is the
left that blows past the Constitution and finds a right to abortion via
the Supreme Court, or dicounts rights (like the 2'nd Ammendment) that
are written in plain sight.
17. The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle
George Bush's Harken Oil stock trade are none of our business.
Re: Really, then how does this author
know about them? Time after time, Bush has been attacked and released
records: his financials, his alcohol abuse, his Natl Guard record. Have
people already forgotten how Hillary found records from the Rose Law
Firm, after years of stalling, and they just happened to be sitting on
a chair in the East Wing in plain sight?
18. You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John
Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have a right
Re: The Ashcroft Justice Dept has
abused civil liberties, no arguments there.
19. What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national
but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.
Re: The drinking habits of Bush in the
80's were bought up in the 2000 election, the US voters made their
20. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist,
trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international
Re: This was inconsitent when Kennedy
started it, then Nixon, Carter, Reagen, Bush 1, Clinton and now Bush 2.
So why is only Bush 2 on the hook for this?
21. Affirmative Action is wrong but that it is ok for your Daddy and
his friends to get you into Yale, the Texas Air National Guard, Harvard
Business School, part ownership of Harken Oil, part ownership of the
Texas Rangers, the Governorship of Texas and then have the Supreme
Court Appoint you President of the USA!
Re: Far better to tell blacks, "Hey,
you can't make it on your own. You need to owe your successes in life
to white liberals." Yeah, that's compassionate self-esteem building.
Here's a thought, how about _merit_ based admissions for everyone?
Here is another one that the author missed.
"The evil Bush 2 won't let people buy cheap Canadian drugs cuz he's in
bed with the drug companies"
Re: This was Clinton policy enforced
by former Secy of HHS Donna Shalala. The current Admin just extended
the Clinton policy. How evil!
"The evil Bush 2 was handed the election by the Supreme Court"
Re: There were five recounts in
the State of FLorida. Bush won every one. The law
suits being brought by Gore were delaying the announcment of a winner,
the world was getting nervous, and the Court stepped in to say,
"Enough, Bush 2 has won." And as for the winner of the popular vote not
getting the office, that is just the way the electoral college works.
There have been at least 4 instances where this happened, this was not
first time event.
1. David Gay writes
Steve Langer wrote:
Date: 9/30/2004 22:52
Dr. Thorne asks;
Tried for treason yes. Executed? Depends on who and what they did to
out her. If it was her husband, then execution would be too good for
"Should the persons who outed Valerie Plame as a CIA agent be
convicted of treason and executed?"
you've 5 days
Quote(s) of the month:
"I don't get no respect, no respect at all."
-- Rodney Dangerfield, dead at 82 on Oct 5, 2004
Fix of the month:
"Should Debates be a required hoop for Presidential hopefuls to
1. Denver, 9/11: The Denver Post ran a front page story to remind
everyone of the Columbine High School massacre of several years ago
(recall another Mike Moore movie "Bowling for Columbine"). ALong side
the reminder was the story about how the Brady Bill is sunsetting this
week. The Brady Bill, passed in 1994 and term limited to ten years:
limited gun clips to holding 10 shots, banned semi-automatic guns that
"looked like" military weapons and added lots of paperwork and waiting
periods to law abiding gun buyers. Brian Rohrbaugh whose son Dan
was killed at COlumbine, said the ban did nothing to save his son - and
ironically did not ban the type of gun that was used to shoot James
Brady. "Further", he pointed out, "Those kids used guns they stole, so
what did any of the laws help?"
2. Denver, 9-1: Three new accusations of political bias in the
state's universities were revealed in Legislative session while
lawmakers were considering how to "protect students from biased
professors." CU Law Prof. David Hill told his property law class that
everyone knows that the R in Rep. stands for racists. Student Mario
Nicolas objected and was told by Hill, "There are plenty of other Nazis
like you out there."
Metro State COllege Poly Sci Prof Oneida Meranto told his
students on the first day of class that, "Reps are
incapable of critical thinking and should therefore drop his class.".
Colorado State Soc Prof Steve Kelmericks told his class that the war in
Iraq was pointless as were the US troop deaths there, that Ronald
Reagen was dumb, and drew ears and horns on a picture of Pres Bush.
College Presidents say the incidents are being investigated.
3. Sept 14, Denver: In a trademark move expressing their love of
freedom, the Dem Natl Comm. of Colorado is sueing the state election
commission to keep Ralph Nader off the ballot for the Nov Presidential
election. Nineteen other states are following "suit". What kind
of press would there have been if Reps had tried this during Ross
1. St Paul, Jan 21: In the hallowed halls of ivy league education (ie
ST Olafs, enrollment 5000), two young coeds are staging a mild mannered
protest. No, they are not shouting curses, tearing off their clothes or
burning furniture. No, they are sitting in the President's office
condemning - get this - that the school is too liberal. Seems that
Britt Anderson (Sr from Lacrosse) and Brittany Miller (Jr St Cloud) are
derided by all their liberal arts professors, and in US History (for
example) any interpretation of the Vietname war that suggests that the
Kennedy/Johnson policies were in any way to blame is a sure way to get
an F. Other classes have similalry "open" minded profs, and the
students are deciding that the tenure process needs to be reviewed -
1. Sept 28, Madison: In a trademark move expressing their love of
freedom, the Dem Natl Comm. of Wisconsin has forced the state election
commission to keep Ralph Nader off the ballot for the Nov Presidential
1. Redmond, Sept 20: Microsoft, that bastion of IP and patent rights,
trademark holder of the word "Windows", suer of the company Lindows
(for sounding alike), has a new business. They are launching dozens of
streaming Radio stations that copy the playlists, and even the call
letters, of famous radio stations across America. Some station managers
are getting a bit testy with Microsoft, saying this is outright
plagiarism. Predicatably, Redmond sees no irony.
1. Sept. 30, Dade Country: In a trademark move expressing their love of
freedom, the Dem Natl Comm. of Florida has forced the state election
commission to keep Ralph Nader off the ballot for the Nov Presidential
1. Sept 22: In a shocking demonstration of partisanship, the evil
right wing media is picking on Dan Rather for basically fabricating a
story about GW Bush's National Guard service, based on the fuzzy
recollections of an 86 year old secretary and forged documents. The
Wall Street Journal, demonstrating their lap dog allegiance to
conservatives, suggests that Rather may have also been coached by a
Kerry operative in writing up his story. Clearly, the Supreme Court,
Army and Natl Guard need to be brought in to restore order, fairness
and right minded thinking to the Journal, it being a biased organ
of the GOP!